>> why aren't other council people taking these trips. i don't see them taking the trips to san francisco, washington, d.c., fort lauderdale. >> it depends on the committee. >> he says those aren't vacations, they're work trips, conferences, and meetings with elected officials and law enforcement to reduce violence. >> we were trying to get ahead of -- the head of the center for disease control to speak to us this violence from a public health standpoint. >> can't that be done with a phone call? >> state law leaves leeway for how to use money. it must be for influencing the result of an election, a campaign expense, the duties of public office, or making a charitiable contribution. they don't have to list the reason unless they get audited.